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Indonesia passes broad anti-pornography bill JAKARTA - Shouts of "Thank you, God!" erupted inside the Indonesian Parliament building Thursday after lawmakers passed anti-pornography legislation, bringing to an end nearly 10 years of debate.

Opponents of the anti-pornography legislation said they were concerned that groups like the Islamic Defenders' Front would now be able to point to the new law, which includes an article allowing "civil society" to help prevent pornographic acts, as justification for their often violent actions. "This law will only empower vigilante groups like the Defenders' Front," said Eva Sundari, a member of the Democratic Party of Struggle, one of the bill's most active opponents.

The new law represents a second major victory in the last year for conservative Muslim groups here. In June, the Indonesian government severely limited the religious freedom of Ahmadiyah, a Muslim sect that does not believe Mohammad is the last prophet, after years of lobbying by organizations like the Islamic Defenders' Front and the prominent Council of Ulemas, which was one of the first organizations to call for the anti-pornography legislation.

Parliament proceeded with the vote despite more than 100 lawmakers, from two major parties, marching out in protest. The remaining factions, or about 400 members, voted in favor of the law. The bill outlaws pornographic acts and images, broadly defining pornography as "man-made sexual materials in the form of drawings, sketches, illustrations, photographs, text, voice, sound, moving pictures, animation, cartoons, poetry, conversations and gestures." It also makes illegal public performances which could "incite sexual desire."



Posted in General @ 31 October 2008 03:48 CET by Jeroen · 'Blog' RSS feed · permalink





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What a shame, Indonesia is rapidly becoming a fasal-state of the Middle East Emoticon: Talk to the hand



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(Edited) Posted @ 31 October 2008 06:24

The controversial legislation defines pornography as sexual materials in the form of drawings, sketches, illustrations, photographs, text, sound, moving pictures, animation, cartoons, poetry, conversations or any other form of communicative messages.

Some say the legislation could go as far as jailing people for kissing in public. Emoticon: Confused

I guess wearing a bikini when you're at the beach in Indonesia is a no no?

The island's tourism will clearly suffer. Emoticon: Nooo




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what a bunch of idiots!!!! i can't believe they went ahead and did it, the extreme right wing islamo fascists will be dancing in the streets and will start enforcing their twisted views tomorrow.... crap!!!!



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Alhamdulillah (sarcastically). Now I support the demand that some areas like Bali, which have refused the bill to be freed from the obligation to apply it.



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I'm curious if Bali still wants to proclaim independence, knowing they will break with Pancasila and seeing East Timor falling in a gaping hole after their independence. Unfortunately little options are left outside not accepting the law, which they do now.



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On 01-11-2008 04:52 Yerun wrote:
I'm curious if Bali still wants to proclaim independence, knowing they will break with Pancasila and seeing East Timor falling in a gaping hole after their independence. Unfortunately little options are left outside not accepting the law, which they do now.


Probably in 50 years the whole Balinese culture will be destroyed, there will be mosque's everywhere and all women will wear a niqaab or jilbab... Independence is unfortunately no option for Bali as this will only lead to violence.

In the past Bali always advertised in Australian newspapers as if it was a different country from Indonesia. That's why a lot of Aussies thought Bali is an independent country indeed until the Bali bombings and Schapelle Corby's case.



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My husband and myself was in Bali two month ago for surfing. We are due to go to Bali again on the 13th of this month (November). We booked the tickets three weeks ago as we didn't expect that Indonesia is going to have new silly law. Now I am not so sure if the long journey from UK worth three weeks stay without worrying if one of us sooner or later accidently broke the new law Emoticon: Confused If only SIA will give us refund, we could go to Oz instead Emoticon: Sadley



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I didn't know about this anti-pornography bill. Khristina0330 mentioned drawing, sketching, photographs etc. but that does not mean that people can't go to the beach right?
What was the main reason this was introduced?



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Of course people still can go to the beach but I think you have to be very careful with the amount of flesh you are going to display. I believe the radical muslim were the one responsible for the introduction of this anti-pornography bill. I wonder if the Balinese immigration officers will confiscate my i-book to check if there are any illegal texts when I get to Bali in 11 days time Emoticon: Cooool



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(Edited) Posted @ 03 November 2008 02:32


On 02-11-2008 22:29 Pistebunny wrote:
Of course people still can go to the beach but I think you have to be very careful with the amount of flesh you are going to display.

So women can't wear a swimming costume and men can't wear board shorts?
Will they have separate beaches then?



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On 01-11-2008 13:18 kiwimave wrote:

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Probably in 50 years the whole Balinese culture will be destroyed, there will be mosque's everywhere and all women will wear a niqaab or jilbab... Independence is unfortunately no option for Bali as this will only lead to violence.

In the past Bali always advertised in Australian newspapers as if it was a different country from Indonesia. That's why a lot of Aussies thought Bali is an independent country indeed until the Bali bombings and Schapelle Corby's case.


Sorry but hat a stupid post.
I'm an Englishman living in Central Java. There are lots of Mosques here but most women wear what they please within their own ideas of morality. Most of the younger ones only wear a head covering when the situation demands and no one forces them to do anything. They are free.
If you have something against mosques/Muslims don't go to a 90% Muslim country.

As for the Bali bombers they are going to get a well deserved bullet soon.

I remember the Corby case and also remember that earlier this year her lawyer admitted that the story of the baggage handlers putting the stuff in there was a total lie made up to try to get the greedy bitch off the hook for drug smuggling. He also apologised to the baggage handlers for trying to make out they were criminals.
She's lucky not to get a bullet herself.
The law here is very clear (and right) about drugs. I have a young daughter and I want her to grow up in a place free from that filth. If you want drugs bog off somewhere that allows it. Same for porn. It's the domain of dirty old gits in raincoats. We don't need it.

It ia well worth a visit to Indonesia. Wonderful country full of friendly people. They will invite a stranger into their home for a cup of tea and a meal just because that's the way they think they should be. All they ask in return is that you respect them as they do you.
I've lived here 13 months now and love the place.



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Yes, sketching, painting, drawing...even cartoon or animation! This is silly. I'm an artist and I like painting/sketching nude. Its beautiful, its ART for cryin' out loud!!! Well, thank heavens I don't live in Indonesia....for now... Emoticon: Confused



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(Moderated) Posted @ 03 November 2008 04:29

I only wonder how the governement is going to impose this new law.
Esspecially on Bali where the majority is non moslim, and the moslims that are livng there tend not to make a problem. Background noise has it that if the governement is tightning rule Balinese immigration will focus on people that are not registered but live on Bali. Caught means off the Island. We discuss moslims in that case.

That law is in place for some years now, starting with the clean-up of Kuta beach where people build there shops that were not supposed to be there. A big cleanup was done.That was some years ago but still in peoples minds.

Tightning from governement means similar action.
I don't think the regular tourist doesn't notice anything from the governement regulation in general. Moslims on Bali normally tend to keep quite. They are not waiting for a new clean-up. They've had the wrath from the Balinese some years ago. I will be going home to Bali next week,and see what the situation is. Emoticon: Party!




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Oyibo......In two weeks time please look out for a short legged, flat nosed, slightly overweight, bottle blonde Indonesian woman (that'sme Emoticon: Smile ) under parasol in Kuta beach. Not sure what sort of beach wear I am going to wear though, with luck I can wear my bikini from Rio Emoticon: Shiny To Khristina....I am afraid few art shop owner's in Bali start getting worried over selling painting of naked women. As for surfing......we might have to wear sarong!!!! Just kidding Emoticon: Wink



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Oh jummy, I like exiting bikini's Emoticon: Party!
Well, I know how to find you !

See ya in Kuta,

I'm fat, ugly, you reconize me easy, wooden leg, parrot on my shoulder.
But hey, I'm nice ! Emoticon: Party!



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On 04-11-2008 15:26 Pistebunny wrote:
To Khristina....I am afraid few art shop owner's in Bali start getting worried over selling painting of naked women. As for surfing......we might have to wear sarong!!!! Just kidding Emoticon: Wink


I wonder if I buy NOW, will I get it cheaper??? haha, I should take advantage. Emoticon: Yes!



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The enactment of the law on anti pornography and pornoaction (APP) could not be likened to the process of Islamization on the ground that it was only aimed at safeguarding the morality of their nationals.

"Morality is universal in nature. It does not only exist in Islam, butit's found in other beliefs which in particular instill to their believers on the importance of upholding moral values.

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc(...)ned-to-islamization/



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On 05-11-2008 09:49 Surya Atmadja wrote:
The enactment of the law on anti pornography and pornoaction (APP) could not be likened to the process of Islamization on the ground that it was only aimed at safeguarding the morality of their nationals.

"Morality is universal in nature. It does not only exist in Islam, butit's found in other beliefs which in particular instill to their believers on the importance of upholding moral values.

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc(...)ned-to-islamization/


I agree but being from the UK I have seen both sides of the coin.
The sad part is that many from the west believe that they have the right to impose their ideals on a country even if they are just popping over for a holiday and will go back home in a few short weeks.
For those from the UK that want to use drugs and have easy sex in the street after getting drunk may I suggest a holiday in Doncaster.

For those with an mind open to seeing another country, visit Indonesia. It's a wonderful place full of friendly people with a warm welcome awaiting you.



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Enactment of this APP is only the facade of shortminded religious fanatics who want to impose there lifestyle on the rest of a nation who isn't asking for it. Neither does it take it's own people into consideration.

Good show! Emoticon: Party!



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It also makes illegal public performances which could "incite sexual desire."



The end of my favourite part of Indonesian culture.



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On 06-11-2008 12:20 fred uk wrote:

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I agree but being from the UK I have seen both sides of the coin.
The sad part is that many from the west believe that they have the right to impose their ideals on a country even if they are just popping over for a holiday and will go back home in a few short weeks.
For those from the UK that want to use drugs and have easy sex in the street after getting drunk may I suggest a holiday in Doncaster.

For those with an mind open to seeing another country, visit Indonesia. It's a wonderful place full of friendly people with a warm welcome awaiting you.


Obviously not visited planet earth for the last decade? Emoticon: Yes!



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Well, in my opinion it seems that fred uk is on the right place now: i wonder when he will become a fanatic moslim



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On 05-11-2008 09:49 Surya Atmadja wrote:
The enactment of the law on anti pornography and pornoaction (APP) could not be likened to the process of Islamization on the ground that it was only aimed at safeguarding the morality of their nationals.

"Morality is universal in nature. It does not only exist in Islam, butit's found in other beliefs which in particular instill to their believers on the importance of upholding moral values.

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc(...)ned-to-islamization/


What are good morals and what are bad morals?

Not allowing a woman to show her hair and cutting off hands of a thieve is that good?
Allowing woman to follow a study and allowing people to go to a cinema is that bad?

A legal system should be very careful with making decisions about morals.
A law on pornography is of course not a good idea, no matter where it came from.



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On 06-11-2008 19:15 senior wrote:
Well, in my opinion it seems that fred uk is on the right place now: i wonder when he will become a fanatic moslim

Check his wife/girlfriend. When she starts to wear baby clothes the moment is there... Emoticon: Shut up!



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(Edited) Posted @ 06 November 2008 19:53


On 06-11-2008 19:15 Nemesis wrote:

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Allowing woman to follow a study and allowing people to go to a cinema is that bad?


Are you kidding ???? Emoticon: Nooo

Acccording to Mrs Meutia Hatta (daughter of Dr Hatta)

Potret Kebangkitan Perempuan Indonesia
Meutia Hatta Swasono
Menteri Negara Pemberdayaan Perempuan Republik Indonesia
* DR Meutia Hatta , State Minister Women Enpowerment.


ternyata 60%-70% adalah murid atau mahasiswa perempuan. Perempuan juga sudah mampu mencapai pendidikan tertinggi, seperti S1, S2, S3. Tenaga pengajar perempuan bergelar guru besar juga telah semakin meningkat


60-70 % of Indonesian students are women.(from elementary school to university)
There are many Indonesian women with university degree , Master even with Ph.d .
There are also many proffesors with that are female .

Out of record :
My mother born in 1915 have also a higher education.( Dutch )
Her generation had also several women doctors and another women Ph.d .





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The 1st Dutch women minister was Dr M.A. Klompe 1956.

1946 The 1st Indonesian women minister was Raden Ajoe Mr .Maria Ulfah (Leiden Law University) .



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Om Sid

I just wonder if the level of the education is from a same level as in western countries?

I have a female friend in Surabaya who is a teacher and she's saying that the level is not that high at all in many places in Indonesia.

I'm not in a position to say it is..i just don't know it



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(Edited) Posted @ 06 November 2008 22:28


On 06-11-2008 20:39 senior wrote:
Om Sid

I just wonder if the level of the education is from a same level as in western countries?

I have a female friend in Surabaya who is a teacher and she's saying that the level is not that high at all in many places in Indonesia.

Its off topic Emoticon: Wink

Partly true.

They have also have the same problems like Holland .
As we know we have in Holland a sort kind of ranking in school level.
White school , Black school, Moslim school etc .

Indonesia have also rankings in private , public school , Moslim and or Christian schools .
In general , students from the ranking schools can always go to the university , even abroad , like Europe , USA , Japan etc .

See also:
Puluhan Perguruan Tinggi Eropa Pameran di Balai Kartini
JAKARTA--MI: Lebih dari 90 perguruan tinggi (PT) dari berbagai negara Eropa mengikuti pameran pendidikan perguruan tinggi di Kartika Expo Center, Balai Kartini, Jakarta, Sabtu (1/11) dan Minggu (2/11), untuk menawarkan program study mereka, termasuk penawaran beasiswa.

Or :
3rd place for indonesian student at the Interrnational Mathematic Competition.
After China and Taiwan .
3 golden, 16 silver and 30 bronze medals.

Para pelajar Indonesia meraih 3 medali emas, 16 perak, dan 30 perunggu pada ajang Kompetisi Matematika Internasional atau International Mathematic Competition (IMC) 2008 di Chiang Mai, Thailand, pada 25-30 Oktober 2008.

Hasil perolehan medali itu menempatkan tim pelajar Indonesia meraih posisi ketiga setelah China dan Taiwan
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(Edited) Posted @ 09 November 2008 10:45

1- And you're supposed to love Indonesia on this board !
Exactly why I hate being with tourists when I travel. They're anti-everything but their ass.

2- Go to some places in the USA - supposed to be the most free country on earth -, and you'll see what anti-porn law is! Emoticon: Clown

Religion is everywhere in this country. Everywhere. It's not considered normal to be atheist. And they call others non-civilized and fanatics??? Emoticon: Red face Emoticon: Clown

3- Sure some "muslims" are a problem.
What's the only country that used atomic bomb?
What's the country that goes everywhere they want and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civils for no reason?

The so-called civilized world...

Who complain for that ? Do you?



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1- And you're supposed to love Indonesia on this board !

You are not supposed to do that here.

Your next offtopic reply is removed to keep this discussion ontopic. a litle bit more than shifting it to the US healthcare plan.



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