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President says western media is anti-Moslem JAKARTA - The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has accused the western media of bias against Islam, saying it appeared to value Muslim lives less than those of non-Muslims. Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population, with approximately 88 percent following Islam.

Mr Yudhoyono has told a gathering of international journalists on the resort island of Bali western media outlets display less outrage when Muslims are killed in the Palestinian territories, Iraq and Lebanon compared to the deaths of non-Muslims.



Posted in Politics @ 03 September 2006 10:32 CET by Jeroen · 'Blog' RSS feed · permalink





Albert
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He needs to say it, but does not really mean it. Just to keep others in his country happy.



Yerun
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That's what is in my mind as well.. with Bashir breathing in his neck he can better say something that many people already have a feeling about. No harm done then.



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i think its about this topic, where in fact he is right
www.globalvoicesonline.org/200(...)-muslims/#more-14711



sidia
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thank you mein freund.



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Ik ben het met Albert eens. SBY is te intelligent om dit echt te menen.



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Western media like BBC is the worst "dhimmi" for moslems. They censored the word "moslems" in many cases of turbulences done by them.



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In a certain way SBY is right. The western press always pictures lives from people of a 3 world country in a less important way then those from a western country.
But....... this has nothing to do with islam. It's common with news about people from 3 world countries; NOT especially moslim countries. That quite a lot of moslim countries are also 3-world countries is an other thing.
But as in common the moslim feels discrimated with their inferiority complex. They always think that the west is against them to cover up their own failures with this outdated religion.



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I don't think it's the western media is the only media that brings 'colored' news.



Albert
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He Yerun,

You try to break the record with the most placed replies?



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In fact, why he complained. Indonesian media is anti jews. And also Indonesian policy. Indonesians always take sides - moslem side.



sidia
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Who cares .
You ?
Oh sorry you are anti Islam. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile



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Of course I do care. If you want to be treated fair, treat other people fairly. If you want people to describe you justly, Do the same to them. If you want people to be honest to you, do the same. If you don't want to be persecuted or abused, don't persecute or abuse others.
This is the simple golden rule of humanity.
And you are right. I am anti-Islam, but not anti-moslems. I always believe that moslems are victims of Islam.



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On 11-10-2006 06:06 searching wrote:
This is the simple golden rule of humanity.
And you are right. I am anti-Islam, but not anti-moslems. I always believe that moslems are victims of Islam.


Searcher,.
Agree , about the golden rule of humanity.
But you forget 1 thing moslems are individuals , and and they believe in Islam.
Yes there are some moslim who did something bad , terrorism etc.

Now you are honest , you are anti Islam as a religion.
(you own words ANTI ISLAM).
Can I have a honest answer from you ?
In the beginning you say that you are searching for truth , your nickname is seraching , and i called you searcher.
We have discussed several times , and I have also follow your discussion with Abah ----- (forgot his name).
He also try to discus with you about Islam.
But you are maybe not looking for truth , because now you confessed that you are ANTI ISLAM.Or if you have find your truth , what is then your purpose in this site ? Nagging about Islam ?
I dont think that this site is not the proper site for you.

Searcher ,

akkoord wat betreft the gouden regels van humanisme.
Je vergeet 1 ding dat moslems individuen zijn , en ze geloven in Islam.
Er zijn ook moslims die slechte dingen doen zoals terorisme etc.

Nu ben je eerlijk , je bent anti Islam. Als religie.
(Jou eigen woorden ANTI ISLAM)
Kan ik een eerlijke antwoord van je krijgen.?
In het begin beweerd je dat je de waarheid aan het zoeken ben , jou alias naam is Searching , ik noem je vanaf begin searcher.
We hebben diverse keren gediscussieerd.
Heb je discussies met Abah-- --gevolgd.
Hij probeert ook met jou te discussieren.
Waarschijnlijk zoekt je geen waarheid (dubbele agenda ?) , want je hebt nu eindelijk toegegeven dat je ANTI Islam bent.
En mocht je de waarheid (jou waarheid) gevonden hebt wat is dan jou doel/ aanwezigheid in dit site.?
Alleen maar zeuren en beledigingen tegen Islam ?
Ik denk niet dat dit site de juiste plaats is om het te doen.



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Searcher,.
Agree , about the golden rule of humanity.
But you forget 1 thing moslems are individuals , and and they believe in Islam.
Yes there are some moslim who did something bad , terrorism etc.


Have you ever heard the last result of Pentagon investigation? They are influenced by Quran to do terrorism.
And no, moslems ARE never individual. They are bound to be "ummah". That's why someone from Indonesia can come to other countries to kill in the name of Islam - as mujaheed. Or some people from Malay can come to organize the bombs in Indonesia.


Now you are honest , you are anti Islam as a religion.
(you own words ANTI ISLAM).


Wrong. I am anti islam as an ideology. I hope you know the difference. Islam is NOT only a religion. It is also a deen, aren't I correct? And you may learn from my discussions that the deen doesn't seem like the true deen. If only moslems see Quran as not a direct word from God thus we can omit some dangerous words, it will be better. But it's not possible, isn't it?


Can I have a honest answer from you ?
In the beginning you say that you are searching for truth , your nickname is seraching , and i called you searcher.


I remember you called me so.


We have discussed several times , and I have also follow your discussion with Abah ----- (forgot his name).


Abah fairus. he didn't continue the discussion after he was unable to refute my statements. As simple as that.


He also try to discus with you about Islam.


Yes, but his explanation is sugar coated and I have shown him and also you that his explanation was contradictory and I only can think of two explanation of his statements:
1) He doesn't really know about Islam
2) He wants to mislead the people here to believe that Islam is peace and Sharia law is the same as modern law.


But you are maybe not looking for truth , because now you confessed that you are ANTI ISLAM.Or if you have find your truth , what is then your purpose in this site ? Nagging about Islam ?


Hm, sometimes truth hurts. I used to believe the propaganda from Pancasila. I used to believe that Islam means peace. But I found in the way of my searching that it's not true.
I come here to make everyone here, including you, realize that Islam has some dangerous substance that all of you and the western media refuse to see.
By doing so, I know I have a risk of being killed. A life of a kuffr is nothing in front of the true believer of Islam.
I am glad that in fact you are NOT a true believer. You still understand the rule of humanity.
I don't ask you to believe me. I only ask you, after you know the principle of humanity, please read again Quran and hadiths and ask for yourself, can a merciful God give those messages?
Only you can answer for yourself. Not me, not other people.

I dont think that this site is not the proper site for you.


This is the proper site for me, because:
1) I am an Indonesian
2) The rising of Islamization and terrorism is apparent in Indonesia.

I never try to mislead you or anyone else here. That's why, I don't mind discussion. You may try to prove to the people here that I am wrong.






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On 12-10-2006 07:36 searching wrote:


This is the proper site for me, because:
1) I am an Indonesian
2) The rising of Islamization and terrorism is apparent in Indonesia.

I never try to mislead you or anyone else here. Thats why, I dont mind discussion. You may try to prove to the people here that I am wrong.



No , you are not misleading , me.
I have some feeling and question about your nagging.
In the beginning you are neutral , later on youare nagging and insulting Islam , en moslims .
And you are always reading the Qura' an literally .
Almost no one in 2006 read Qura' an or the Bible literally.
Some of the fundamentalist at both side (Islam and Chrisians) did it , and pushing another people .

I am also Indonesian , and a moslim (KTP) , " very moderate " . Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile
That's why I try to discuss with you. in the beginning.

Indahnesia is a site for Indonesian friends , tourist information etc , but I think not for people who nagging or atacking others people religion.





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No , you are not misleading , me.


I am glad of that.

I have some feeling and question about your nagging.
In the beginning you are neutral , later on youare nagging and insulting Islam , en moslims .


I have told you that I hope to inform to anybody the danger inherent in Islam. I don't hate moslims. You may see my previous post. There I stated that I hate Islam but I don't hate moslims for they are victims of Islam. How can I hate them?

And you are always reading the Qura' an literally .


Every moslims I know believe Quran to be the exact words of Allah. Thus it is the highest authority for moslims. Are you different?

Almost no one in 2006 read Qura' an or the Bible literally.


Sadly, that isn't true. Amrozi and others read Quran literally. And many others.

Some of the fundamentalist at both side (Islam and Chrisians) did it , and pushing another people .


After the Crusades, no Christian killed for their God. And I have read Bible and I don't think any of Jesus' teaching condone the killing.
But we see moslims kill in the name of God. I read the articles (even watch the interviews of people like Amrozi) and check it with Quran. It is in accordance to that. You may try that yourself. I don't force you to believe me.

I am also Indonesian , and a moslim (KTP) , " very moderate " .
That's why I try to discuss with you. in the beginning.


I appreciate that.

Indahnesia is a site for Indonesian friends , tourist information etc , but I think not for people who nagging or atacking others people religion.


Nagging or saying the truth is different. I am not a troll or a bot who come and say irrelevant words. You may see my posts and all are relevant to the topic.
And this site also includes news and general topic. So you are wrong.
I never called names or do ad hominem. I have even given a chance for you and all to prove that I am wrong. But I don't see that. That's obvious, because I take it from Quran and Hadiths, not by emotion only.
And within friends you can talk a lot of things including religion. Or you never do so?



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(Edited) Posted @ 13 October 2006 18:39


Jantje, never thoght you were a moslem.

Dear searching,
I am a 60 years old law-abiding uncircumsiced, smoking, beer drinking, babi eating, live enjoying ktp moslim. I am also a baptised Christian. I never killed anyone, never hated anyone and never had the intension to do so. What's wrong with me? Must I go to neraka? I'll emigrate to Greenland first. after that neraka is enak. Oh ya, there is something that I hate: Agama mania. Emoticon: Wink





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(Edited) Posted @ 13 October 2006 19:06


On 13-10-2006 18:39 Jantje wrote:

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I am a 60 years old law-abiding uncircumsiced, smoking, beer drinking, babi eating, live enjoying ktp moslim. Whats wrong with me?

I think nothing...Jantje... Emoticon: Party!



Yerun
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Nothing Jantje, but some people find it hard to accept that people interpret their own way of (islamic) life.



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There is indeed a tendency that western media is trying to form the world opinion that Islam is identical with terrorism, radicalism, fundamentalism and new extremes. While in fact, all of the mentioned above is behauptung ohne bewels. Emoticon:



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On 15-10-2006 15:55 kinanti pinta wrote:
There is indeed a tendency that western media is trying to form the world opinion that Islam is identical with terrorism, radicalism, fundamentalism and new extremes. While in fact, all of the mentioned above is behauptung ohne bewels. Emoticon:

The strange thing of this all is that the Moslims all over the world do not try to change that opinion. They rather complain and feel pitty with themselve. And do their best to proof that the western media is correct.

Look how they react with the speach of the pope. While it comes from a book written in the 7th century. And now suddenly a Jihad against the pope. If you ask me most moslims do not even know the real meaning of Jihad. it has nothing to do with war.

Moslims cannot sepperate Religion and politicts or daily live. In everything they always need to come up with the Quoran or Allah.
Also when you ask somebody if he is able to meet you? Answer If Allah give me permission. Then what you just sit on your lazy behind and wait until you receive an answer from allah.
Don't the know that Allah got better things to do. He needs to rule an entire universe. you really think he has time to spend a second to our stupid live on this planet?
Tsunamy is punishment from God. What a stupid thought. Again always Allah. No wonder the media publish negative about them.

What will the west do, when the Jakarta post or other daily news paper from a Moslim country, will place a funny cartoon of Jesus. We will start WWIII or our own Jihad?
Come on get serious, we got better things to do then to fight about a silly cartoon.
If you say Jesus is a homo. Fine by me. I will not be offended. I know he is not further more that person did not understand a single thing about who is Jesus really. But what do you expect from people who only hang around everywhere and never get a book and read it.



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Thanks Albert, Keep on posting!

Yours sensierelie, Jantje Emoticon: Wink



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There is indeed a tendency that western media is trying to form the world opinion that Islam is identical with terrorism, radicalism, fundamentalism and new extremes. While in fact, all of the mentioned above is behauptung ohne bewels.

It is. Have you watched the interview with Imam Samudra and else? Have you tried yourself to read Quran and Hadiths to see if they stated something wrong or against Quran?
So far, western media is trying to lie to their citizens and try to protect the minority moslems in their countries everytime they do riot.
That's why, in many riots, they only write "angry asian youth", "angry youth". You may check this yourself. There were riots in Paris, lately, although not as big as the first. I heard also something happened in Sweden.

And, sadly, Islam is IDENTIC with terrorism. Have you read the history of your prophet through hadiths? Don't only use Karen Amstrong, use the real source, the sahih hadiths. If you want additional homework, compare Karen Amstrong's work with sahih hadiths.
Read also Quran. Reflect with your own humanity and consceince. But please, try to put yourself in kuffr's shoes for one time.

You may ask why not ALL moslems are terrorists? Well, because they are influenced by the golden rule of humanity, their good cultures. That's why there are many moslems who are tolerant. But, they are potential and prone to be terrorists, when they still hold to Quran and Hadiths.



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Nagging again , Searcher ?? Emoticon: Laugh out loud Emoticon: Laugh out loud Emoticon: Laugh out loud



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On 16-10-2006 07:09 searching wrote:
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And, sadly, Islam is IDENTIC with terrorism.


Yes , of course Searcher.
Betul sekali.

Now you have thrown your mask. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil
You are ANTI ISLAM , nagging and insulting.
Even Mr Bush dont dare to make such statement like you. Emoticon: Angry Emoticon: Angry

Ya ya , de aap komt nu uit de mouw.
Meneer beledigt gewoon moslims, hij wil niet praten , vragen of discussieren.



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Yes , of course Searcher.
Betul sekali.


Hm, surprising. You don't have anything to say that I am not correct, yet you keep trying to nag me.

Now you have thrown your mask. > >
You are ANTI ISLAM , nagging and insulting.


Hm, I said I hate Islam in my previous post. What mask do I wear?
Nagging? It is you who does this so far, by trying to make comments on my posts without really giving refutation or discussing something worth.

Insulting? I base my statement on Quran and Hadiths. If I base myself on emotion, you may say that I insult Islam. Do you think Islam exists without Quran and Hadiths?

You are being silly. Have you ever read the history of your prophet from hadiths? His wars, his tortures, etc.

And your statements in Dutch is still the same. Not with a substance to refute me.

You only try to defame my character so you want other people don't listen to me. Why is that? Many times, I end my statements with: go read Quran and Hadiths yourself.

Even Mr Bush dont dare to make such statement like you.

Simply, he is a politician. The same with Tony Blair, and others. They don't want to make 1.2 billion moslems get disappointed with them. They need moslems and the leftists to vote them.



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On 16-10-2006 09:27 searching wrote:
Yes , of course Searcher.
Betul sekali.


Hm, I said I hate Islam in my previous post. What mask do I wear?
Nagging?

Insulting? I base my statement on Quran and Hadiths. If I base myself on emotion, you may say that I insult Islam. Do you think Islam exists without Quran and Hadiths?

You are being silly.


Of course I am silly Emoticon: Smile I dont care , only omong kosong.
And if you read my prev. chat with you , (especially in the beginning ) I have said that I am not qualified enough to explain or discuss anything about Islam.
(Maklum KTP Emoticon: Blush Emoticon: Blush Emoticon: Blush )

Now you are giving a silly statement , you confess that you are reading the qur' an etc literally.
No one (almost except ignorance people , orang bodoh) are reading the Qur' an , Bible or Veda literally. Emoticon: Shut up! Emoticon: Shut up! Emoticon: Shut up!
Almost no one in the 21 century. Emoticon: Very funny Emoticon: Very funny

Wake up my friend , we are now in the 21 th century .
Emoticon: Bye bye Emoticon: Bye bye Emoticon: Bye bye



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Of course I am silly I dont care , only omong kosong.
And if you read my prev. chat with you , (especially in the beginning ) I have said that I am not qualified enough to explain or discuss anything about Islam.
(Maklum KTP )


Oh, then why you get mad? You don't know Islam, so lets try to know Islam more.

Now you are giving a silly statement , you confess that you are reading the qur' an etc literally.


May be my statements are silly, but I want to ask you: Do you ever hear that Quran can be changed? Can it be interpreted without discussion and debate, without carefulness?
The concepts of Jihad, Kuffr (filthy) and others are directly from Quran.

No one (almost except ignorance people , orang bodoh) are reading the Qur' an , Bible or Veda literally.

Well, I don't know about Bible or Veda. But let me ask you a proof to say that Quran is to be interpreted as a methaphore.
to moslems, it's a direct word of God. Go to Islamic sites and ask that yourself. That's why, any action seen as degrading Quran can lead moslems to kill.

Wake up my friend , we are now in the 21 th century .

Sharia law is from 7th century, yet moslems are prompted by Quran and hadiths to try to implement it as much as possible, even in the western world.
May be you need to correspond to Abu Bakar Basyir, so you will understand the real Islam.
After that, you may decide for yourself. I will not try to interfere.



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Searcher ,
please read carrefully or maybe I must spelled it for You.
Sorry for my terrible bahasa england.

*Not qualiffied enough is not the same as dont know nothing.
*For sure is yr statement silly.Of course no one can change the Qur' an , its the same as by the bible. And Veda.

*For sure you have not read the bible , otherwise you know the difference between Roman Cattolics and Christian.
But the basic is only one , and they have the same God of Abraham.
The same God as the Jew , and the same God of the moslims.

* For sure , the moslims must try to implement the rules , and as much as possible. Read : to try , and a.m.a.p

Some of the moslim dont obey the hole rules 100% .
That is their own choise and responsibilty. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile

*abt : 21th century :
No one (except---) wil read and also follow the bibles . qur' an and Veda literally .
If you will read at that way than is it yr problem . Emoticon: Party! Emoticon: Party!

Emoticon: Bye bye Emoticon: Bye bye



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Searcher ,
please read carrefully or maybe I must spelled it for You.
Sorry for my terrible bahasa england


I can understand your English.

*Not qualiffied enough is not the same as dont know nothing.
*For sure is yr statement silly.Of course no one can change the Qur' an , its the same as by the bible. And Veda.


you said you are Islam KTP. So what do you mean by your statement? Once again you are keep repeating things. Clearly I have said that Quran cannot be change. IT even is the base to make tafseer or fatwa or anything. Nothing can stand Islamic if not approved by Quran.
It's a silly statement to say about your idea of reading it not literally, because moslems believe Quran to be an exact and direct word of God.
Clear?
So in this sense it's different than Bible and Veda.

*For sure you have not read the bible , otherwise you know the difference between Roman Cattolics and Christian.
But the basic is only one , and they have the same God of Abraham.
The same God as the Jew , and the same God of the moslims.


I don't talk about Christianity here. Please keep in topic.
Once again, I told you why I said YHWH is different than Allah. If you want to ask Christians here whether their YHWH is the lord of satan, genii and of mankind, I doubt they will say yes. You may try that.

* For sure , the moslims must try to implement the rules , and as much as possible. Read : to try , and a.m.a.p

So good moslems are those applying Quran and Sunah Rosul in their lives. Bad moslems don't apply them much.

Some of the moslim dont obey the hole rules 100% .
That is their own choise and responsibilty.


Well, and they are bad moslems, aren't they?

abt : 21th century :
No one (except---) wil read and also follow the bibles . qur' an and Veda literally .


You keep dragging bibles and veda. Be stick to defend Quran please.
Now, your homework, you may try to ask mullah or imam if Quran can be put into individual tafseer or not literal.
Please answer after you ask your imam or mullah.

If you will read at that way than is it yr problem .

And the problem of 1 out of 10 Indonesian good moslems who support violent jihad.



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On 17-10-2006 09:43 searching wrote:

Now, your homework, you may try to ask mullah or imam if Quran can be put into individual tafseer or not literal.
Please answer after you ask your imam or mullah.


And the problem of 1 out of 10 Indonesian good moslems who support violent jihad.


Mr Searcher , homework ?? Are you seroius ?
Asking a mullah or imam.
Dear Searcher , we (read : also sidia)are living in the 21 century , not 1400 yrs ago , and in the desert. Or in a kampung.
Dont need a mullah or imam to read or understand the books.For sure.
You are kidding Mr Searcher. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile .

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Yes , I agree with you , they have a problem.
But I am not my brother keeper. Emoticon: Nooo Emoticon: Nooo Emoticon: Nooo
Emoticon: Bye bye Emoticon: Bye bye



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Mr Searcher , homework ?? Are you seroius ?
Asking a mullah or imam.
Dear Searcher , we (read : also sidia)are living in the 21 century , not 1400 yrs ago , and in the desert. Or in a kampung.
Dont need a mullah or imam to read or understand the books.For sure.
You are kidding Mr Searcher.


You are really confusing. In one statement you said you don't have enough knowledge to refute me when I brought something on Islam which you disagree.
In this statement you said you can understand the book yourself.
Very strange, indeed.

Yes , I agree with you , they have a problem.
But I am not my brother keeper.


And I can bet they know Quran and Hadiths more than what you know. They can quote verses to support their actions.



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