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JAKARTA - Indonesia, which has the biggest Muslim population in the world, Saturday condemned the publication of caricatures of Prophet Muhammad by a Danish newspaper late last year and their reprint in several Western European countries recently. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, leader of 212 million people, said the publication of the caricatures clearly showed insensitivity towards the views and faiths of other religions.
"The abuse of the symbols of religion has hurt the feelings of Muslims. Allowing their publication on the basis of freedom of expression is something difficult to accept," he said. He said that in accordance with Clause 29 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948, fundamental rights were not absolute and that in their implementation there should not be abuse of faiths. He said the Indonesian administration could understand the reaction and protests from the people towards the publication of the caricatures.
Twelve caricatures depicting the prophet, first published by the Jyllands-Posten daily in Denmark in September last year and then reprinted in newspapers in several other European countries, have sparked anger and sadness among millions of Muslims throughout the world. "Nevertheless, as a civilised people, we have to accept the apology tended by Denmark through its envoy in Jakarta and by the newspaper organisation," he said, adding that such an incident should not be allowed to recur.
Susilo said the Indonesian administration had taken diplomatic measures, both bilateral and multilateral, in handling the issue. The Indonesian president said the publication of the caricatures strengthened Indonesia's view for the need to have inter-religious dialogue and cooperation, not only among countries but also regions.
The images where it's all about
The 12 images where these protests are all about, can be found on the forum:
Asian muslims vow new cartoon protests as anger spreads
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And these are the images where it's all about.
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chirpy
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Beste Jeroen, eigenlijk heb je volkomen gelijk. De meesten van die opgewonden standjes hebben deze prenten nog nooit gezien, maar je weet hoe dat gaat bij fanatiekelingen: zij kennen geen waarheid anders dan die zij zelf denken te hebben. Ik vind deze prenten volkomen onschuldig en zelfs wel erg grappig. Maar dan ben ik ook een verlichte westerling die wel wat gewend is. Zijn "zij" dan minder? Beslist niet alleen in dit geval hebben zij een erg kort lontje dat nog korter gemaakt wordt door hun geestelijke leiders die zodoende goed garen kunnen spinnen uit deze afleidende manoeuvre.
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Well, as other websites, I merely placed them to show people what it's all about. I'm not afraid things will happen because of this though.
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and oh: please keep this in English 
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Very strange issue. I mean looking at these cartoons I must say that they are insulting for terrorists, but what is the problem for the average normal Muslim? They’re not really that much insulting for them.
I think you're right Jeroen, they're angry because "the west" has insulted them once more, but didn't actually see the drawings.
Also when we compare these jokes with what is made in Europe about our own (religious) leaders, the queen, etc. I cannot say these jokes are more insulting. A lot of noise about nothing.
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chirpy
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Dear Jeroen,
You are right to publish the cartoons. Most of the people do not know where they are protesting against. The fanatics always find a reason to point their agressions. If you ignore your own faults, well find them elsewhere. They are pushed by their leaders. If you can not see the humor in the drawings, then you are to be complained.
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I think it is a 'strange discussion' about these cartoons, it is like people from Mars like to communicate with people from Venus ........
They, Islamists, have a total different aproach towards religion, as others including Christians ...... do most of the participants know that Jesus, is also a prophete in Islam for instance ........
I myself, as a Crhistian, know that ....... so Islamists, if they are true believers, will not make Jesus ridiculous; this is what most of them also do not do ........ !!!!
Whilst in the western world everybody tends to use the phrase: 'Freedom of press and make any religion ridiculous .......
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As always with religion affairs, I do not understand the commotion. I think I´m just too stupid to understand the cartoons at all!
And of course there are a lot of western journalists who are very willing to show the moslem people these cartoons while adding the question ´is this not insulting for you?´ Then they have there story.......and pictures.....
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kadir
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As my prophet was alive at this moment, I think that he should say you this:
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim,
Say: O you that reject Faith!
I worship not that which you worship.
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that you have been wont to worship.
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine!
Surat Kafirun: 109
So for me, the Danish are allowed to think or believe whatever they want..
Me, as a muslim, don't even care about it. AS LONG AS THEY ALLOW ME TO BELIEVE WHAT I WANT.....
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kadir
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maar weet je wat vreemd is:
wanneer een deen schrijft of zegt wat hij wilt, valt dat onder ' vrijheid van meningsuiting'.
wanneer ik, als moslim, vertel wat ik denk, ben ik opeens een fanatiek, extreem, fundamentalist of een terrorist....
ik zou toch ook gebruik mogen maken van dat ' vrijheid van meningsuiting'?
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On 03-02-2006 21:54 kadir wrote:
maar weet je wat vreemd is:
wanneer een deen schrijft of zegt wat hij wilt, valt dat onder vrijheid van meningsuiting.
wanneer ik, als moslim, vertel wat ik denk, ben ik opeens een fanatiek, extreem, fundamentalist of een terrorist....
ik zou toch ook gebruik mogen maken van dat vrijheid van meningsuiting?
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is this your way of asking for permission, and if so to who please?
people are looking and thinking way to much about religiouns
they even start to see eachother as a religioun and that is a fact what is
realy scaring me because that is how fundementalist get born.
as far as im concernt you may use your "freedom of opinionright"
as long as you dont insult people with it, because the day today
people take their religious more serious every day.
what the danisch did is not ok, the germans published copys of the
pics/drawings (they are realy good in thinking less and copy alot)
and i think they should apologize, beside fundamentalist i never saw
a moslim who insulted the christian/catholic believe.its ok to make jokes or drawings/pics about o.b.laden but not about a whole religioun.
make jokes about a pointy nose or a slow car, that way nobody gets hurt
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kadir
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no, i'm not asking for any permission... But i am not allowed to say everything that I want in the Netherlands.. I have to be careful with my words, because I'm a muslim.. I can't make a painting of Bin Laden as an angel and publish it in a newspaper, can I? I have not the same right as non-muslims... ask it to every other moslim in The Netherlands. My friends, the world is changed for us! first it was ' the jews', then ' the communists', now ' the muslims'! unfortunately 
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Freedom of the press does not mean you can hurt other people and just get away with it. As far as I know, the moslem world never make fun of Christianity or other beliefs/religions. It also opens up a new discussion, how the West still misunderstands Islam. The picture of the Prophet with a turban shaped like a bomb is an utter humiliation. Islam, like every religion in the world, comes for peace. Should anyone of you try to remind me of the separatist movements in Lebanon, Palestine or Iraq, pease don't. They have nothing to do with religion. The conflicts in those countries are conflicts among nations. Then again, it wil be so unfair if people judge a religion by the attitude of some of its followers. They don't represent the religion itself.
I'm a moslem but I'm not proud of the terrorists who use Islam as a bumper, to justify their acts of terror like Bin Laden or Ayman Al Zawahri. I think they should be shot, hanged and beheaded.
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tough night Kinanti? 
almost pagi isn´t it?
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well,,how would the christian react if in indonesia,malaysia or any other muslim country would draw the image of the POPE & Jesus in the same way ?....
How would the christian feel hurt if santaclaus is shown nude ?...
when u draw or show cartoons of prophets who laid their lives for spreading the word of religion selflessly in such a way, it just shows how poor , stupid and immature people are....
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If the moderator of the website also publishes this images , I really feel it isnt tht mature from his side...because to me its not reacting but getting provoked to this news item!!
Freedom of voice and Expression !
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I would request the moderator to withdraw the pictures from this forum and website..
they are of no terms of entertainment , nor information but they are of absolute offence to the Muslims ...It would be a better step for the moderator to understand through the eyes and hearts of humanity and withdraw the pictures .......
Please do accordingly and dont use this religious issues for any public relations or publicity.......
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On 03-02-2006 12:36 Jeroen wrote:
Well, as other websites, I merely placed them to show people what its all about. Im not afraid things will happen because of this though.
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Merely placing them ..without caring peoples feelings ...is questionable..,,,u dont have to be afraid of things happening...but things will not tell you in prior that It will happen..........
Some Examples!
Outside the Danish embassy in London, demonstrators burned the Danish flag before ripping it apart
Danish companies have reported sales falling in the Middle East after protests in the Arab world and calls for boycotts.
The editor of a Norwegian magazine which reprinted the Danish cartoons said he had received 25 death threats and thousands of hate messages.
A Jordanian editor was sacked for reprinting them, despite saying his purpose had been to show the extent of the Danish insult to Islam.
Up to 300 Islamic activists in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, rampaged in the lobby of a building housing the Danish embassy in Jakarta
Pakistani Islamists from Jamiat Ulma-e-Pakistan group burn Danish, Norwegian and French flags during a rally in Lahore February 3, 2006
Acht andere godsdiensten, ben ik noch moslim Noch CHRISTEN.
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On 04-02-2006 01:50 second_chance wrote:
well,,how would the christian react if in indonesia,malaysia or any other muslim country would draw the image of the POPE & Jesus in the same way ?....
How would the christian feel hurt if santaclaus is shown nude ?...
when u draw or show cartoons of prophets who laid their lives for spreading the word of religion selflessly in such a way, it just shows how poor , stupid and immature people are....
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Go to google, choose "images" and search for "paus" (pope in dutch) you will be supprised.....
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dutchguy1000
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Don't forget the Efek Sampingan.
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On 03-02-2006 21:54 kadir wrote:
ik zou toch ook gebruik mogen maken van dat vrijheid van meningsuiting?
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Heee ?
Forget it , you are dreaming.
It is their rules , their freedom to --------- .
They make their rules for their own purposses , not to please you or others.
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service.spiegel.de/cache/inter(...),1518,398853,00.html
he is right
why should we back down to some people demonstrating on the street chanting death to danes and burning flags?? to the people raiding a EU bureau in palestina, their biggest donor?? the people who make deaththreats?? people with a mediaevel mentality?? these caricatures were made for european eyes (only!!!), we can deal with it. so just ask ur goverment for improving their censorship(they are good at it and if not they should ask china or n.korea) and we wont bother u anymore.  
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Ach So !
Quatsch von eine Muslim dissident.
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'Is it 'freedom of press' or 'freedom of trade' ............
All newspapers are figting 'to survive the new electronic media', I hope all the
journalists with good craftman-/womanship would find their way into the new media and stay independent ....... for them the times are are tough !!!
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Heard on the radio that A.E.L. had also their cartoons .
Can someone give us more information ??
what kind of cartoons?
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Damaskus/Gaza/Kopenhagen (dpa) - the indignation in the Islamic countries about the disputed Mohammed caricatures unloads itself increasingly in force. In the Syrian capital Damascus demonstrators the Danish and a little set the Norwegian message into fire dozens of partially masked young men and pupils stones on the German agency hit destroyed into Gaza would later have thrown, for disks and to furniture, reported a eyewithnes.a Danish embassy spokesman in the broadcast confirmed, turned out the entire building in Damascus in flames on Saturday of hundreds. There also the diplomatic agencies of Sweden and Chile are accommodate afterwards pulled the applied demonstrators to the Norwegian message. Here the police, which had held back itself with the conquest of the Danish message, intervened, but it the demonstrators succeeded nevertheless to set the building in fire. Demonstrators tried subsequently, after eye-witness reports also at the French Ambasy to arrive, however by the police one stopped.A Polish couple got kidnapt.
http://www.freenet.de/freenet/(...)07ca485410f7d2a.html
poging om alle westerse vertegenwoordigingen oftewel ambassades in Syrie van de kaart te vegen/branden inklusief het EU-Buro in Gaza en het lukt ze vrij aardig, de politie ondernam
niks bij de bestorming van de Deense ambassade, pas later toen de
demonstranten bij de duitse ambassade aankwam kwam de politie ertussen
maar toen was ook daar het kwaad al geschied.lijkt wel alsof er toestemming
was de Deense ambassade in brand te zetten
en dit allemaal vanwege een paar pictures
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what if the POPE showd nuded? KICK HISS ASS! They already have posters with a photo from the pope with a joint and the lyric: I LIKE THE POPE THE POPE SMOKES DOPE! (www.large.com), let us go to the coffee-shop and smoke some dope with the pope.
What if Mohammed smokes dope on a poster? You already know that... so, do the christians also have to threat us or what? 
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Nog een paar dagen reactie op reactie en dan is ook dit onderwerp niet meer interessant en gaan we door in de evolutie van de tijd......
Als wij vast ophouden en weer overgaan op de orde van de dag: visum, hotelletjes en vakanties, dan hebben wij alvast een voorsprong op de rest van de wereld.
Sorry, de wierook en de geur van de slof kretek in de kast achter me worden me te machtig!
Groetjes en selamat tidur!
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Is it also a good idea to storm the KBRI in The Hague when bule die in the next terrorist attack in Indonesia?
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Jantje
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Ofcourse not. We are civilized people. What have embassy personel to do with it. 
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On 05-02-2006 23:51 kiwimave wrote:
Is it also a good idea to storm the KBRI in The Hague when bule die in the next terrorist attack in Indonesia?
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 Try to do it .
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On 06-02-2006 05:50 Jantje wrote:
Ofcourse not. We are civilized people. What have embassy personel to do with it.
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Thank you Jantje. That's what I mean, it's a clash of civilized people (in the West) against uncivilized people (Middle East)
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Quite right! If we had the same mentality we would be very very busy burning done flags & embassies. Starting with the embassy of the U.K. because of "the live of Brian", then the embassy of Iran, because of the recent remarks of their president. Etc. etc.
These people have to learn that they should feel personally insulted if somebody makes a joke about something they consider sacred, holy or important in any way.
If Europe backs off and starts with self-censure, this will be the end our civilisation.
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All right all little children around the world PLAYING TIME is OVER, now just go back to work and stop RIOTING 
They even started rioting in Somalia (hell on earth)...haha
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kadir
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I dont believe the cartoons about the pope is made by any muslim, dutch boy!!! 
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jew "colonies on earth" pope "peace on earth"
pope is just an supporting act in this one defaming the jews as devils.
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On 06-02-2006 21:59 kadir wrote:
I dont believe the cartoons about the pope is made by any muslim, dutch boy!!!
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No, they even do it to them selfs, cant you see how it is ment???
It is in the cultrure of many european countries to be cynical, about everything, It is for sure not ment serious.
But obviously some people do not want to see that.
Just another excuse to deliver they're rage....
nothing else.
If it looks only a little bit wrong, some idiots go nuts.
releasing there build up anger about other things.
And one small detail, my first name is Mohammad, so I should be the first one to be angry,
But at least I relativate......
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On 07-02-2006 07:44 sascha wrote:
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defaming the jews as devils.
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We must make difference between Jews (people / religion) and Zionist.
It is not the same.
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"About 200 protesters from the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) in West Java town of Bandung threatened to conduct searches for Danish nationals in the country if Denmark -- where the series of 12 cartoons was first published last September -- did not try those responsible.
Protest coordinator Asep Syarifuddin warned that the group would transport Danes to the airport to be repatriated"
Londoh, just be careful in Solo OK! I'm afraid those FPI-idiots cannot make a difference between Dutch and Danish nationals. Just stay inside the house those days
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It's not about the cartoons themself. It's the fact that "the west" made and published these pictures about a religion that is not theirs.
The "nice example" of dutchguy is probably made by someone with a christian upbringing. The same goes for many other cartoons and the unequalled humoristic "life of Brian" by Monty Piton. All caricatures of christanity made by people from chistian societies.
A muslim will never make such a caricature of islam. The Quoran, the Prophet and Allah are to holy.
The reactions to these cartoons are only partly a reaction to the cartoons themself. Much more, they are a reaction to the growing imperialism from the west.
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On 07-02-2006 12:26 andre wrote: The reactions to these cartoons are only partly a reaction to the cartoons themself. Much more, they are a reaction to the growing imperialism from the west.
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I'm sorry, but this is really non-sense. What "growing imperialism" do you mean? About 50-60 years ago nearly the whole Muslim world was a colony of a western country.
Since then they've all become independent, so what do you mean with "growing imperialism"?
I think their anger comes from the fact that being independent they’re not able to turn their country into something serious. Note that the most serious riots are in countries that have not been able to organize themselves very well.
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I'm talking about growing imperialism towards islamic countries, because they are islamic .
Untill 60 years ago, western countries colonized the middle east, asia and Indonesia because of natural recources. The religion of the natives wasn't an issue as long as it didn't threaten trade (with the exception of spain in latin America).
Now islamic countries are pressured and even invaded to change the islamic regimes. I do not condone terrorism, nor do I think that women shouldn't be allowed to go to school. But that is my personal truth, based on my upbringing and the culture that I've grown up in.
We don't want to be invaded by the Taliban, so they can introduce the Sharia, nor do they want to be invaded by the U.S. so they can introduce playboy magazine.
These cartoons are just the fuse that could ignite the "let us be" bomb in the islamic world.
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I don't think there's any imperialism towards countries because they're islamic. Irak was invaded because of "weapons of mass destruction". Even if this was only an excuse, the fact is that Irak was not invaded because of islam.
I think that you're too modest with saying "personal truth", to condone terrorism and allowing everyone to go to school are universal truths in my view.
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On 07-02-2006 17:02 Agung wrote:
I dont think theres any imperialism towards countries because theyre islamic.
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Not the old time imperialism , but de so called NEO Imperialism.
With Neo.
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The protests and anger at those stupid cartoons is totally out of proportion. Killing innocent people with suicide bombers is not an insult to a so-called "prophet of peace" (who was a warrior for ten years) and a "god of loving kindness"??? How much protest do we see against these crimes in the muslim world?
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Another issue is that within (Arabic) Muslim countries many similar bad jokes are published about Jewish people. Also there are a few Arabic satellite TV stations that make western (European) people black. Just translate the words from a radical imam from a European country and it will not be nice what you hear. Also these are not jokes, but meant seriously.
Till now this was not take too serious but, now the Islamic world thinks that we treat them so bad, we should re-consider this.
Why do we allow these people to insult us so much, while they not even allow us to make a joke?
These people are abusing our decency to unlimited proportions.
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principe
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Dear anybody,
I read the following comment not long ago. I do not know where it came from- therefore I just throw this message on this messageboard, hoping anybody with more in depth knowledge of the Quran can point me out where I can find the following (refernece?):
“In nowhere in the Quran are you allowed to force anyone to become Muslim. You may try to encourage them, persuade them, let them see the possibility, but never can you force or threaten someone to become Muslim. It is completely forbidden, and will never, ever, be considered as permissible.”
Appreciating your reply
Thank you kindly
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...Irak was invaded because of "weapons of mass destruction". Even if this was only an excuse, the fact is that Irak was not invaded because of islam.
I think that youre too modest with saying "personal truth", to condone terrorism and allowing everyone to go to school are universal truths in my view.
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Dear Agung,
Thank you for confirming my statement by adding " in my view " to your reply. Your view is not everyones view, nor is my view, nor is the average stonethrowing muslim's view. Like it or not there are people in this world that truly believe in a violent Islam.
My point is: It's all a matter of percenption.
You mention the second gulf war. The weapons of mass destruction were just an excuse you say... An excuse for what??? A sceptic will say: for oil!, a naive person will say: it was simply a mistake of the CIA, Michael Moore says: To finish dad's job!
Fanatic muslims will say: to kill muslims, to eradicate islam!
I've seen the second gulf war on CNN: Shiny tanks, beautifull explosions, a warsim on TV! The picture on Al Jazeera: wounded civilians, Americans kicking down doors, grabbing women by the arm, disturbing households.
It's all a matter of perception... And the way this is going more and more muslims will become convinced that their religion is in danger and a jihad is called for.
Freedom comes with responsibility. Especialy the press should always ask the question on how their articles/columns/cartoons will be perceived. If the cartoonists/editor responsible for these cartoons would have spent a minute to consider this, they would have found that it is forbidden in islam to depict God and Muhammad, let alone make cartoons about either of them.
This raises the question for whom these cartoons were ment.
Were they ment for "the rest of the world" i.e. non-muslims. What was their purpose? Pure entertainment (at the cost of others?)
Were they ment to urge moderate muslims to take action? Then they should have known about islamic rules about depicting the prophet.
Now, if they were ment to aggrevate fanatic muslims and to help them to recruit new suicide bombers.... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
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On 08-02-2006 14:59 principe wrote:
Dear anybody,
I read the following comment not long ago. I do not know where it came from- therefore I just throw this message on this messageboard, hoping anybody with more in depth knowledge of the Quran can point me out where I can find the following (refernece?):
“In nowhere in the Quran are you allowed to force anyone to become Muslim. You may try to encourage them, persuade them, let them see the possibility, but never can you force or threaten someone to become Muslim. It is completely forbidden, and will never, ever, be considered as permissible.”
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you can read it in the Al Qurán
Freedom to believe :
Al Qurán 2:256 Al Baqarah
27: 91
18: 29
88: 22-23
About Relationship with the Jews and Christians
Al Qur'an 2 : 62
Even for the "Unbeliever" :
109:1-6
I hope that I donot make a misqoute.
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principe
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Thank you, Mr. Sidia
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janss557
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I'm "afraid" (what's in a name) that I'm just being lucky. All I saw were 12 little white squares with red crosses in them. A failure in my PC has helped me not to tresspass some unwritten law.
The problem is that too many persons take themselves too seriously. If you see the humour, people can't possibly have the inclination to look down on you. If you don't take yourself too seriously, other people will take you seriously!
rumbataha
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On 03-02-2006 11:08 Jeroen wrote:
And these are the images where its all about.
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Hey Jeroen, did you remove the cartoons?
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