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Indonesia rated Asia's most corrupt JAKARTA - Indonesia is still ranked as the most corrupt country in Asia, local sources quoted a recent survey of the Political and Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd (PERC) as saying. According to the survey, carried out with 96 Asian businessmen, Indonesia was given with 9.44 points in the ranking, scaled from 0 - 10 with the more points a country gets, the more corrupt it is.

Singapore's grade was an almost pristine 0.89, followed by Hong Kong (China) at 1.22, and Japan, the Republic of Korea, Malaysia, Taiwan, Thailand, China, India, Philippines and Viet Nam. Corruption is the biggest obstacle for foreign investment flowing into Indonesia, said the PERC. In previous years, Indonesia was also considered as the most corrupt country in Asia by the PERC.


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Posted in General @ 06 December 2005 07:09 CET by Jeroen · 'Blog' RSS feed · permalink





kiwimave
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Doesnt surprise me at all... The Oracle Londoh already told me a long time ago Emoticon: Shiny



kiwimave
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Doesnt surprise me at all... The Oracle Londoh already told me a long time ago Emoticon: Shiny



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(Edited) Posted @ 06 December 2005 18:54

I was not informed by Yerun that London was an Oracle !!!
'He always keep things for himself Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Clown Emoticon: Clown Emoticon: Bye bye '
I did not suprise me either !!!
I did not know this source.



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(Edited) Posted @ 06 December 2005 18:54

I was not informed by Yerun that London was an Oracle !!!
'He always keep things for himself Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Clown Emoticon: Clown Emoticon: Bye bye '
I did not suprise me either !!!
I did not know this source.



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Owh, come on AnisJ, don't invole me in every post you make. I'm not that important. Emoticon: Smile



Jeroen
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Owh, come on AnisJ, don't invole me in every post you make. I'm not that important. Emoticon: Smile



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(Moderated) Posted @ 06 December 2005 19:33

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(Moderated) Posted @ 06 December 2005 19:33

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Okay, let's get back on topic. Emoticon: Smile



Jeroen
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Okay, let's get back on topic. Emoticon: Smile



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If this would mean that Indonesia is 9.44/10 = 94.4% corrupt, then I think that's a bit over the top.

Indonesia is rather corrupt, but not for 94.4%.

From my experience the part of the country that is corrupt is the part handled by the government and then mostly related to documents that needs stamps and signatures..... That's really bad, yes. Emoticon: Angry

But Indonesia is not for 94.4% made up of documents that need stamps and signatures. Emoticon: Smile

So, as long as you don't want to do something official overthere, it all not that bad.




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If this would mean that Indonesia is 9.44/10 = 94.4% corrupt, then I think that's a bit over the top.

Indonesia is rather corrupt, but not for 94.4%.

From my experience the part of the country that is corrupt is the part handled by the government and then mostly related to documents that needs stamps and signatures..... That's really bad, yes. Emoticon: Angry

But Indonesia is not for 94.4% made up of documents that need stamps and signatures. Emoticon: Smile

So, as long as you don't want to do something official overthere, it all not that bad.




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That doesnt surprise me at all

Can you imagine that i dont actually feel safe when i go through customs on my way back to indonesia from Sydney? It is not like that I smuggle anything or do anything illegal, I just feel very nervous, worry that they will actually give me hard time, asking for money etc etc which I dont want to do at all.

When I was young and travelling with my family, this was like 6 or 7 years ago, we have to bribe the customs everytime, even the guy that stamp our bloody passports, slipped some money in there... And now, i just dont want to do it at all because i dont need to, because i am not doing anything wrong. But still i dont feel quite safe.

if you know wat i mean.... i am goin back to Medan in less than a month. I keep telling myself just walk past them, let them check your bags and thats it.

Bribery = dishonest = corruption
it is a sad world



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That doesnt surprise me at all

Can you imagine that i dont actually feel safe when i go through customs on my way back to indonesia from Sydney? It is not like that I smuggle anything or do anything illegal, I just feel very nervous, worry that they will actually give me hard time, asking for money etc etc which I dont want to do at all.

When I was young and travelling with my family, this was like 6 or 7 years ago, we have to bribe the customs everytime, even the guy that stamp our bloody passports, slipped some money in there... And now, i just dont want to do it at all because i dont need to, because i am not doing anything wrong. But still i dont feel quite safe.

if you know wat i mean.... i am goin back to Medan in less than a month. I keep telling myself just walk past them, let them check your bags and thats it.

Bribery = dishonest = corruption
it is a sad world



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On 22-12-2005 06:00 triss wrote:


When I was young and travelling with my family, this was like 6 or 7 years ago, we have to bribe the customs everytime, even the guy that stamp our bloody passports, slipped some money in there...

And now, i just dont want to do it at all because i dont need to, because i am not doing anything wrong. But still i dont feel quite safe.



* why ???

*First step is always difficult, but everyone must try to make the first step.



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On 22-12-2005 06:00 triss wrote:


When I was young and travelling with my family, this was like 6 or 7 years ago, we have to bribe the customs everytime, even the guy that stamp our bloody passports, slipped some money in there...

And now, i just dont want to do it at all because i dont need to, because i am not doing anything wrong. But still i dont feel quite safe.



* why ???

*First step is always difficult, but everyone must try to make the first step.



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On 22-12-2005 08:34 sidia wrote:

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* why ???

*First step is always difficult, but everyone must try to make the first step.


Don't be so silly, Uncle Sid, try to read the title of this thread, then you know WHY Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny



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On 22-12-2005 08:34 sidia wrote:

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* why ???

*First step is always difficult, but everyone must try to make the first step.


Don't be so silly, Uncle Sid, try to read the title of this thread, then you know WHY Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny Emoticon: Shiny



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Title is about corruption.

I am asking to triss(cq family) or some people why they put some (rupie , dolari , guilders, euri etc ) ------ in their pasaporto.
I can understand if a potential smugler (or have something to hide ) wil do something like that , but an innocent people like you and me ????



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Title is about corruption.

I am asking to triss(cq family) or some people why they put some (rupie , dolari , guilders, euri etc ) ------ in their pasaporto.
I can understand if a potential smugler (or have something to hide ) wil do something like that , but an innocent people like you and me ????



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Menir Sid,

You are already too long in Holland and forgot to keep up with your own culture. In my surroundings (Jateng) more than 50% of the people don't have a KTP masih berlaku, same for birth certificates, because they don't want the trouble of paying Xtra. So all the police have to do at the end of the month is kontrol KTP. The first 3 weeks of the month one doesn't see polisi on the streets, when it is tanggal tua very busy, controlling everything. Just pay and no trouble. Emoticon: Yes!

Greeces




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Menir Sid,

You are already too long in Holland and forgot to keep up with your own culture. In my surroundings (Jateng) more than 50% of the people don't have a KTP masih berlaku, same for birth certificates, because they don't want the trouble of paying Xtra. So all the police have to do at the end of the month is kontrol KTP. The first 3 weeks of the month one doesn't see polisi on the streets, when it is tanggal tua very busy, controlling everything. Just pay and no trouble. Emoticon: Yes!

Greeces




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On 22-12-2005 11:11 londoh wrote:

In my surroundings (Jateng) more than 50% of the people dont have a KTP masih berlaku, same for birth certificates, because they dont want the trouble of paying Xtra.


Iya , there are always stupid/MTB people (masih tetap bodoh) ,or people who have something to hide.
And everytime they must pay ? Tssk , tssk , tssk.
Why not 1 time to pay if (if necessary) , but everytime ?? (thus MTB).
In holandia , they have also rules about I.D. card , people (from 14 jr ?) must have an I.D. or 40 Euri fine (almost 475.000 rupie ).





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On 22-12-2005 11:11 londoh wrote:

In my surroundings (Jateng) more than 50% of the people dont have a KTP masih berlaku, same for birth certificates, because they dont want the trouble of paying Xtra.


Iya , there are always stupid/MTB people (masih tetap bodoh) ,or people who have something to hide.
And everytime they must pay ? Tssk , tssk , tssk.
Why not 1 time to pay if (if necessary) , but everytime ?? (thus MTB).
In holandia , they have also rules about I.D. card , people (from 14 jr ?) must have an I.D. or 40 Euri fine (almost 475.000 rupie ).





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On 22-12-2005 11:33 sidia wrote:

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Iya , there are always stupid/MTB people (masih tetap bodoh) ,or people who have something to hide.
And everytime they must pay ? Tssk , tssk , tssk.


Menir Sid. Not very kind to say this about people I know quite well. The stupid element in this country is the goverment who does nearly nothing to eliminate corruption.They should start to give the death sentence and shoot a few of he crooks in front of Monas, aired by TV in prime time all over the nation. You don't live in Indonesia so you don't know the impact of corruption on everyday life. When I was first in this country I refused to pay, not a single Rp. But since long time I have changed my attitude, as if one doesn't pay one will receive a lot of trouble. Dipersulitkan, I have been kicked out the R.I. 2 times, to teach me a lesson. So now I have done what I am expect to do: Ikut budaya yang berlaku, adopted the Indonesian culture. Meanwhile I know nearly every Indonesian is corrupt, if they are against corruption means that they have no entrance to corruption.

Please open your eyes, don't defend values that aren't present in this Republik Pisang

Greeces



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(Edited) Posted @ 22 December 2005 12:01


On 22-12-2005 11:33 sidia wrote:

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Iya , there are always stupid/MTB people (masih tetap bodoh) ,or people who have something to hide.
And everytime they must pay ? Tssk , tssk , tssk.


Menir Sid. Not very kind to say this about people I know quite well. The stupid element in this country is the goverment who does nearly nothing to eliminate corruption.They should start to give the death sentence and shoot a few of he crooks in front of Monas, aired by TV in prime time all over the nation. You don't live in Indonesia so you don't know the impact of corruption on everyday life. When I was first in this country I refused to pay, not a single Rp. But since long time I have changed my attitude, as if one doesn't pay one will receive a lot of trouble. Dipersulitkan, I have been kicked out the R.I. 2 times, to teach me a lesson. So now I have done what I am expect to do: Ikut budaya yang berlaku, adopted the Indonesian culture. Meanwhile I know nearly every Indonesian is corrupt, if they are against corruption means that they have no entrance to corruption.

Please open your eyes, don't defend values that aren't present in this Republik Pisang

Greeces



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(Edited) Posted @ 22 December 2005 16:27


On 22-12-2005 13:49 Agung wrote:
In my (bad) experience the immigration officers that check the passports are among the most corrupt people in Indonesia.

The problem is that the Indonesian government "sponsors" this corruption heavily with their immigration laws. The number non-sense cards and letters Indonesian and non-Indonesians must carry is totally ridiculous.

My only explanation for all these documents is to make sure travellers make mistakes, which enables immigration to ask for money. Benefit for the government is that they do not have to pay immigration officers a decent salary. It looks like they do not understand how much this issue hurts the reputation of Indonesia.


Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil 'It is a way to save money: "What the gouvernment do not pay them; you are oblighed to pay their officers ....... Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil "
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(Edited) Posted @ 22 December 2005 16:27


On 22-12-2005 13:49 Agung wrote:
In my (bad) experience the immigration officers that check the passports are among the most corrupt people in Indonesia.

The problem is that the Indonesian government "sponsors" this corruption heavily with their immigration laws. The number non-sense cards and letters Indonesian and non-Indonesians must carry is totally ridiculous.

My only explanation for all these documents is to make sure travellers make mistakes, which enables immigration to ask for money. Benefit for the government is that they do not have to pay immigration officers a decent salary. It looks like they do not understand how much this issue hurts the reputation of Indonesia.


Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil 'It is a way to save money: "What the gouvernment do not pay them; you are oblighed to pay their officers ....... Emoticon: Devil Emoticon: Devil "
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On 22-12-2005 13:49 Agung wrote:

Benefit for the government is that they do not have to pay immigration officers a decent salary.


Decent salary ?

How much is decent ?
Because I knew someone ( maybe no 3/4 from the top ) .
He have nothing , only his own pension.



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On 22-12-2005 13:49 Agung wrote:

Benefit for the government is that they do not have to pay immigration officers a decent salary.


Decent salary ?

How much is decent ?
Because I knew someone ( maybe no 3/4 from the top ) .
He have nothing , only his own pension.



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A decent salary would be a salary that enables one to rent or buy a house and pay for all normal things in life like food, clothes, travelcosts, studycosts etc. etc. To put it simple a salary that's enough to sustain an average family life.

Immigration officers are of course use to "the good life" so they would probably not be happy with what most people in Indonesia would call a fair salary.

There fore => the road to clean up this mess will be long.......................



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A decent salary would be a salary that enables one to rent or buy a house and pay for all normal things in life like food, clothes, travelcosts, studycosts etc. etc. To put it simple a salary that's enough to sustain an average family life.

Immigration officers are of course use to "the good life" so they would probably not be happy with what most people in Indonesia would call a fair salary.

There fore => the road to clean up this mess will be long.......................



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House : Perumnas , BTN , Estate , Villa , (smal) Castle ??
from kamar mandi with bqk mandi to sauna cq swimingpool ?
Food : nasi + lauk pauk or steak with champagne .
Clothes : regular clothes or designer clothes
( Seamen= zeeman - CAtje or C.D cq Armani)
Travelcost : uang becak (transport) or from motorbike to BMW ?
etc etc.



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